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So theres a new accepted calc: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Captain_Torch/Natsu_punching_Animus_to_the_stratosphere
We just need to discuss it
It should scale to Dragonfication Natsu, Animus, and eveyone who is Low 6-B and higher
Simple
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Agreed.
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Tbh, I never understood why feats like this are lifting but if its actully valid and counts, then there should be no problem with it scaling to everyone who is physically far above Natsu.
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AnonymousBlank said:
Tbh, I never understood why feats like this are lifting but if its actully valid and counts, then there should be no problem with it scaling to everyone who is physically far above Natsu.
I agree.
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Since this form's true power is unknown, we have to assume it's strongest possibility - which is stomping a character with a portion of multiple Etherion's magic power. This is a bit vague, but it should at least scale to Acno and the other Dragon Gods. It COULD scale to Zeref as well, but that is too shaky with how little info we have on that form.
There is no evidence of him being comparable to the top tiers - for all we know, Dragon Cry Animus could be below, equal, or far stronger than the top tiers.
The only slightly solid thing we know is that he should be below Acno and the Dragon Gods, because even after the showcase of Dragon Cry Animus, Acnologia was still referred to as the "strongest dragon".
So I propose:
Possibly Class G: Base Zeref, DF and Igneel's Flame Natsu, Dark Form August, Dragon Irene, Fairy Heart Zeref(since Dragon physicals > human physicals)
Class G: Dragon Gods, Acnologia, and High 6-B versions of Natsu that matched Acno/Mercuphobia
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^If we scaled this version of Natsu to Low 6-B, you might have had a point, but it's safer to assume this form of Natsu is physically weaker than his Low 6-B to High 6-B forms, this form is only scaled above High 7-A, we don't need possibly, I just don't believe there's enough evidence to scale this form above Zeref
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Why we are scaling this feat to low 6-B character? Half dragon Natsu isn't low6-B he is High 7-A, either y'all scale it to everyone abovr High 7-A or change half dragon natsu and Dragon cry animus tier, since it's didn't make sense.
A feat performed by High 7-A character scale to only low 6-B?
Edit: Half dragon natsu isn't rated as unknown on his profile
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Bump
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BUMP
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BUMP!!!
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I'm a bit torn here. I do agree with Cap that dragon physicals tend to be > than human physicals, but I disagree that this should only scale completely to Acno, the dragon gods and Natsu's best forms. Irene is clearly more powerful than Animus and she should unequivocally scale.
I do think Zeref should completely scale in his FH form as well, but I'm unsure about his base form. And my misgivings in regards to Zeref's base form applies to all the more human characters that scale above high 7A simply because of the dragon and human distinction.
My suggestion:
Class G: Acnologia, the dragon gods, Natsu's best forms, FH Zeref & Dragon Irene
Possibly Class G: Base Zeref, dark August and anyone else that scales above High 7 A
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A human performed the feat tho, Natsu, a human did, so it can scale to other humans, I don't see the problem, this feat was not performed by a dragon at all, this form of Natsu should be weaker than Igneel's Power, and Base Zeref physically contends with that Natsu, If the feat came from a dragon, yes you might have had a point, but a human performed the feat, so I don't see any issue with scaling it to other humans, no possibly needed
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But Natsu wasn't totally human when he performed the feat in question though
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We still don't even tho if this form is real, regardless, it was still a humanoid, like Zeref and August, they should scale this is absolutely ridiculous, if they're stronger they should scale
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Bump, or we already finished?
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Don't really have much more to say, my stance on this is clear.
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I said my reasoning as well. It seems we just have to agree to disagree and find a compromise, or ask some staff on their input
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I personally agree with david reasoning, since that's what i want to say as well
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I can compromise with this
Likely Class G: Base Zeref, Dark August, and everyone else above High 7-A
Class G: Acnologia, Dragon Gods, Natsu's Strongest Forms, Fairy Heart Zeref & Dragon Irene
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I'm fine with the proposed scaling although I'm curious on what the justification on the profile will look like. While i think Zeref and co could scale I'm not too keen on using "Natsu is a human so it scales to other humans." otherwise ya know you'd end up with Class G Max and co.
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This scales to a High 7-A Natsu, so anyone who is Low 6-B should be stronger physically, plus Igneel's Flames Natsu is likely stronger than Dragonification Natsu
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Likely? I wouldn't even say likely, feel free to correct but didn't Igneels flame Natsu whop base Zeref whos low 6-B to Dragon Natsu's High 7-A? That seems solid to me.
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Yeah, that^
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So... Bump, let's just finish this
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Last time responding here:
We can do two things here:
1) change dragon form natsu tier to unknown and scale it too god tier(include base and FH zeref)
Or
2) scale it to everyone above High 7-A, like other verse do, where fodders have Class M or Class G tier rating
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So, what does everyone think about my suggestion
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This is my proposal
Likely Class G: Base Zeref, Dark August, and everyone else above High 7-A
Class G: Acnologia, Dragon Gods, Natsu's Strongest Forms, Fairy Heart Zeref & Dragon Irene
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Makes sense to me.
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I can get with this.
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Let's apply mitch suggestion and finish it once and for all the
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I'll apply the changes, they're few and far between
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Done, we can close this
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DemonGodMitchAubin said:
This is my proposal
Likely Class G: Base Zeref, Dark August, and everyone else above High 7-A
Class G: Acnologia, Dragon Gods, Natsu's Strongest Forms, Fairy Heart Zeref & Dragon Irene
Wait, according to this, character like bluenote/kagura should get class G as well
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Are they above High 7-A? I thought those two were only 7-A.
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Anyone who is above High 7-A, not High 7-A themselves, so Low 6-B and higher
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Oh, Ok
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